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After my latest post unfortunately things will get worse for the children in Congo as they’ll have to mine more cobalt so more people can drive a battery electric vehicle. Presidential candidates such as Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren want to ban gasoline/diesel vehicles by 2030. This doesnt sound promising and Mike Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg and Andrew Yang want to do the same but at a later time. This is unacceptable. It would take over 10 years to get hydrogen on the way and even longer to convert gas stations to hydrogen but the presidential candidates want to force battery electric vehicles onto everyone because they’re “zero emission”.

So there will be chaos within the next 10-15 years if any of these people end up as president. All I can say is if these bans are put into place the children who have to mine cobalt for lithium ion batteries for the electric vehicles, the automotive industry and even the economy may collapse. All because of the fear mongering that we’re responsible for climate change. As a ban is placed there will be a lot of hate towards people who drive electric cars, especially in America. What started off by blocking Tesla charging stations will end up as road rage takes a new form.

Itll be chaos, unfortunately. Some people have already made threats to do pit maneuvers with their diesel trucks onto Teslas and other EVs. So while these are threats, it really will be a catastrophe on the road over the next few decades.

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This may be an old article…

Child miners aged four living a hell on Earth so YOU can drive an electric car

The fact is, though it takes 33lbs or more to produce an electric vehicle battery. Lithium ion batteries already require larger amounts of cobalt which accounts to over 60%. Only 40% is being used for other things and less than 10%  being used by gasoline refining. 10 grams may not seem like a lot for cellphone batteries but it adds up. This was already a concern when lithium ion batteries took shape besides the volatile nature of lithium ion batteries. Yet we’re still using it in everyday devices and now the UK wants to ban combustion engine vehicles for lithium ion powered vehicles. That 60% will jump to 70+%. As the battery density starts to rise so does the need for cobalt which the primary use for it in lithium ion batteries is to keep the batteries cool. Since more technology advances so does the battery cooling methods. And lithium ion batteries in EVs consume a ton. 33lbs for one car. Imagine how much cobalt is needed to run the upcoming Hummer EV. Rivian has an electric truck that uses over 7k batteries which is twice the amount of a Tesla battery so you’re looking at 66lbs or more for a light duty truck. I dont even want to think about how much cobalt is required to run that Tesla semi.

The child laboring has been an issue since the dawn of time but I can think of nothing worse than children dying just to spend weeks on end just to mine one EV battery.

The fact is however nothing is being done. I’ve written this as a Christian to implore everyone to pray for the Congo children because they dont deserve this. We dont deserve lithium ion battery technology.

We get it you need a cellphone to stay in contact with family and friends. It’s a great way to keep updated on news. It’s also a tool to bring this despicable tragedy due to the greed of “clean air zero emissions electric cars”. We also get why you want an electric vehicle. But battery electric is not the answer. And its clear that we need a lot more cobalt to manufacture more EV batteries, something that really is not a sustainable future, especially when majority of lithium ion battery cobalt is being mined by innocent children. I had almost forgotten about these poor children until I watched another video on the horrid conditions from mining cobalt for lithium ion batteries. The main reason I had always been against battery electric in the first place.. it’s not just the terrible range, long recharge times or the cold and hot weather zapps the batteries lifespan. The government wants everyone to switch to electric but how can we when the cost of human life is far worse than what we are potentially doing to the planet.

I got into an argument over a fool who thinks that it’s ok to let children mine 33lbs of cobalt for just 1 vehicle vs ounces needed to manufacture gasoline that has the potential to last decades. I dont have exact measurements on this subject or how much cobalt children are mining for gasoline refinement but EVs are the main contribution to cobalt mining. The laptop computers are secondary to all other lithium ion batteries.

Its downright evil and if climate change were to end us all I dont want the blood of children on my hands just so i don’t have any tailpipe emissions. Regardless where that cobalt comes from a large chunk will go to electric vehicles. The enormous psychological and physical damage these kids will have to endure in the future because “battery electric is the future” is downright evil and no one should be standing for it. We need to reduce our use of cobalt starting with BEVs. No one can force you to buy a battery electric vehicle, not even the government. Dont let them do it. Keep buying gasoline until hydrogen can make it’s way to the market and be a real ethical solution to our tailpipe emissions.

Again, pray for the children in Congo and support them by refusing to buy battery electric vehicles. You can also extend your cellphone or tablet batteries (any lithium ion batteries) by keeping a charge of 40-80%. Get a Goal Zero Guide 10 that uses nickel metal hydride batteries (and Eneloops) if you dont have anywhere to charge. Avoid buying anything that uses lithium ion technology and instead use Eneloops. Besides my cellphone I haven’t bought anything that uses lithium ion batteries since 2005. And I dont plan to. Anything that reduces the necessity of cobalt. You could even buy a more economical vehicle like a gas Honda or Toyota. Dont buy the hybrids that may use the lithium ion batteries. Again, pray for the children in Congo. Maybe if there is a massive strike or ban against lithium ion and cobalt in general maybe things could change but for now avoid the lithium ion technology due to the excessive use of cobalt used in these batteries.

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Edit: Seen this article on how they want to use your electric vehicle battery to power the grid, Electric Vehicle Batteries Will ‘Dwarf’ The Grid’s Energy-Storage Needs

See the cons below for more details

Well its happened in Europe. EV adoption is at 1% and read in an article they increased electric costs by 500%. So depending on where you are at. Say you are paying $0.15 a kW. Well in Europe they’re paying $0.85 a kW. Doesnt sound great does it? So far there hasn’t been an increase in electric costs here but most of the BEV adoption occurs in California and well, they cant even keep their power grid on leaving EV motorists stranded. At least most gas stations have the sense to keep backup generators so that way you can still buy gas.

Back to topic, can you imagine paying $50 a month to keep your fridge running. I couldn’t. It used to cost $30 a month or so to run the older fridges but newer more energy efficient ones will run $10 a month on your electric bill, depending on the kW cost and energy needed to run your fridge monthly.  With the U.S. the way it is they may open or reopen a few coal plants just to keep costs lower. But for other countries like Europe they may be doing cleaner energy like solar or wind. Possibly nuclear. But then they would need to build more to keep up demand for the electric cars. And this could just be one area or whatever but still if you need to build more power plants because people are switching to BEVs then that’s a problem because when you need to build cost goes up. Its supply and demand.

Most likely these people are charging at night so its likely there isnt a huge demand going on but maybe enough people caused the power grid to collapse and they decided we need to upgrade the grid and increase the costs. Perhaps this cost is temporary to keep the existing grid stable or its because they realized that oh I guess even if you plug in at night you can still have issues. But your still running your fridge at night and most likely your air conditioner if it’s hot outside and if you got electric heat, running that during cold weather.

But electric grids are not set up for battery electric vehicles. In the U.S. we have to try to keep the electric consumption down so they tell us to turn the thermostat down as far as possible but still try to be comfortable and we were also told to buy more energy efficient appliances.

Now some may be doing this sort of thing for earth day but really it’s to get people to lower energy costs because the power grid can’t handle all the strain.

Ever notice on nice days no wind all of a sudden the lights flicker or you lose power for a second but it comes back on? Well more often then not that’s the grid being overloaded. More power is being drawn than what the power plants are supplying. The demand is higher than the supply in this instance. Normally if the power resumes just fine its probably an air conditioner kicking on or someone plugged in their phone. Doesnt matter what it is. If you notice the power coming on and off and then off then its possible someone turned on something high powered or something like charging an EV. I believe when this occurs and the power keeps coming on and off usually then it shuts off completely for like 10 minutes to an hour. Either a transformer blew or maybe the power company temporarily cut power to the affected areas. Some of this is guesswork but I’m assuming that this is what goes on. I do know that if the power flickers or cuts out that’s considered a brownout. Not enough power is supplied.

Cost obviously doesnt increase normally because of a one time brownout but if it gets to be continuous then cost may perhaps go up when the power company is unable to sustain the grid effective enough. So while we may not see a major brownout occurring it may be that we’re not there yet with too many EVs trying to charge at the same time.

It wont matter whether that you charge in the day or at night, if too many plug in then it’s going to be a mess on the grid. In reality this isnt good because we all need heat and airconditoning and power to our fridges and stoves so we got food to eat. So if you are reading this and was considering an BEV. Please do not buy one. No one can force you not to if you really want one. But then you shouldn’t be convinced to buy one either. There is people out there trying very hard to convince, coerce, force or whatever, to buy a battery electric vehicle. I get it, the environment but if our grid isnt ready then we’re going to have a bad time. I dont want to buy one and really I dont want people to buy one for the fact that my electric bill could go up and someone on a fixed income could have their bill go up.

The option here may be to charge BEV owners that plug in to the grid more money to offset the costs. It’s not right that everyone has to pay because some people bought an EV and is overloading the grid. And so far that may be the best thing to do. Not only that there are way more cons to owning an EV.

Cons of battery electric vehicles

  1. Too many EVs will strain the power grid causing the price of electricity to go up.
  2. Charging time, 30 minutes or more. Causes a pile up of vehicles waiting to be charged at charging stations and you will be sitting for hours on end waiting for a vacant spot to open.
  3. Limited range, less range means more time spent at charging stations.
  4. Batteries may not last past 10 years.
  5. You lose 50% range in cold weather.
  6. Less gasoline or internal combustion engines sold causing a 25% job reduction.
  7. The power companies want to use your electric vehicle battery to power the grid. This will reduce battery life by at least 25% causing you to buy another battery in 6 years instead of say 10 years.

So that adds up to 6 7 negative aspects to owning a battery electric vehicle. How about some pros..

  1. They’re fast at 0-60 ..after that gasoline has more horsepower.
  2. Less maintenance ..until you need to replace the battery.
  3. Got a refueling station at home ..but your electricity bill will go up
  4. I dont have to pay the evil oil company overlords …well everything you buy is pretty much manufactured by oil at some point, so you’re still paying for oil in some way or another.
  5. They are better for the environment ..eh, sort of.

So even the pros are not necessarily pros. So your not saving any money by driving electric. You may be helping the environment a little, it’s hard to say but you wont be helping the cost of electricity in the future. It’s going to go up. Its supply and demand. You wont ever get out of that one because there isnt enough power to replace gasoline vehicles with battery electric ones. So I wrote this blog into hoping that people think twice before buying one. You wont save any money, you do have fewer maintenance costs but the cost to replace that battery if it fails is almost as much as a new gas vehicle. It’s really not worth switching to electric unless you really want to have one. But all the pros listed are pretty much humoring the cons of owning an EV. Honestly I don’t see one good thing about them and its mainly because they just are not good vehicles yet. They want to push these vehicles out to everyone but it’s like pushing out the first Ford model T out when there are cars that do the job better. And right now the gas cars are working fine. Dont be forced or whatever into buying a battery electric vehicle future. You’ll thank me in 20 years when Hydrogen fuel cells come out and be far better in every way. By that time jobs should be gearing towards the future better. We’re not there yet. What these people are doing, trying to convince you that battery electric vehicles are better is just evil. There is nothing to benefit from an electric vehicle other than the investors who are trying to get paid big bucks for an electric vehicle future powered by batteries.

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Oh no not another electric vehicle post. Sorry, not sorry but with this extreme push for battery electric vehicles or BEVs I have to show the negative sides of them and why its best to wait around for hydrogen fuel cells.

 

1. Limited range

Batteries can only store so much energy and even with the advances the more range you’re looking for the more expensive they’ll be. A Tesla model 3 costs around $40k when you factor taxes, charging equipment and hire an electrician to get the most out of recharging. But let’s face it, for $20k I can get more range out of a muscle car.


2. Recharging time

Even though you may charge at home and ‘wake up every morning with a full tank’ it still takes time to charge and our electric grid is unreliable at best. You will be waking up one day without power and your 220 mile Tesla is now a 50 mile range vehicle with no place to charge because well.. no power. Most gas stations will have a backup generator allowing motorists to continue driving around. But you are stuck with a 50 mile driving range. Doesnt work if you daily drive more than 20 miles, even if you do manage to make it into work you will still need a recharge. Imagine having to wait hours and hours in a public charging station because everyone else who owns a Tesla or other EV will be waiting in line because they lost power. Either that or they traveled too far and need a recharge. A minimum  of 30 minutes for an EV or a 5 minute refueling time for gasoline those who drive gas will not generally be affected by power loss, unless the gas station you went to doesnt have a backup generator… it’s best to ask.

 

3. Range is limited in the cold

My friend had a Tesla with a 300 mile range. When it was 20F he woke up to a half charge with a range of 100 miles. He thought well, I only work 20 miles away it’ll be fine. It was fine driving into work but upon driving home from work he got about 5 miles before the Tesla quit on him. He got rid of it and bought a Honda. 🤣😂

The cold is bad on lithium ion batteries. They don’t like the heat and they certainly dont like the cold. Adverse temperatures is bad for any battery, this is why you need to have your gas vehicle battery checked out every year, especially at winter time they can be an issue, in very cold weather. Stop and go driving is generally harder on them but using a battery electric car on the highway, that range doesnt come back because the car is doing everything it can to generate heat, however driving 60+ mph it takes longer for it to heat up so that heat is often wasted by that cold wind.

Gas cars are not impervious to cold weather either but well maintained gas vehicles will operate better in cold climates. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are the best in cold weather. Another reason why we need more of these vehicles.

 

4. The electric grid won’t handle a BEV takeover

You know I read in the Chicago Tribune that best charging times will be after 2:00A.M. I leave for work by 3:30A.M. there is no way it’ll finish charging by the time I have to leave for work. Even then this is another inconvenience, you gotta charge on their rules, not when it’s convenient for you. Not everyone has the same routines and here again, the recharge time and power reliability. You can gas up your vehicle any time you need to but charging is different. Sure you can charge anytime you want, but you won’t get the best rates. And when this happens rates for electricity will still go up when too many are plugging in. We bought energy efficient appliances because we wanted to save money on electricity but not only that its because the grid is taxed by energy draining devices.

 

5. Lithium ion materials are not easy to get

Even with all these BEVs coming out, there is a lithium ion supply shortage. We dont have a reliable supply, like gas it’s a finite resource. And when resources become scarce the prices go up. If you need a replacement battery and you sold your gas clunker for a shiny EV but the battery died, well who’s to say they’ll have a replacement on standby for you. If all their loaner vehicles are in use, you may be stuck paying for a $35 daily rental for however long. Could be a week or it could be months. In reality, you’re better off sticking to a gas vehicle. You may need a replacement engine or transmission which isnt that common, at least they have the parts needed to get you back on the road as quickly as possible. May take a few days to a week but that’s nothing compared to how long people had to wait for a replacement Tesla part.

 

6. How long will that battery last? The cost of owning a BEV

I don’t know. Often times they’ll say it’ll get 300k easy but when gas vehicles get that much and more you want to think more in terms of, how many years will the batteries last. Currently you can get 30+ years out of a Honda or Toyota.. basically any well built vehicle will last you if you keep up on the preventative maintenance. Regular oil and other fluid changes are needed for your vehicle’s survival. Fresh fluids equals a happy vehicle that will take care of your transportation needs but also regular checkups and taking it easy on the gas when you dont really need all that horsepower going. Leave it for the highway ramps.

Anyways the only real ways to treat a battery right on these EVs is charge it only to 80% and leave 30% left. Not exactly leaving you with much range there, along with the cold you’re just not going anywhere fast. Ideally you want a garage but if you park on the street or in an apartment complex that just isnt possible. The same with being at work, you have to leave the vehicle outside. Adverse weather will degrade the batteries. I can’t even keep all my cars in a garage. Let alone they are parked outside at work for 10 hours. BEVs just wouldn’t work.

But at the most I’ve seen a battery last is 10 years. But most of them last 3-7 years depending on various reasons I wont get into but somehow EVs could top all those batteries? The cost alone wouldn’t be worth it seeing as it would take in my case, 10 years before seeing savings from driving a BEV.

Even if the batteries were to die in 12 years or so, it’s still not worth it. Batteries are another environmental concern and the fact that eventually we will have to dispose of them. Regardless if there was a 2nd application for them. What happens when they are no longer usable?

I dont know either but the oldest BEV battery I know of is at least 8 years old. It’s only a matter of time before we find out the cutoff point and I’m not willing to risk a battery dying 8 years down the road and your warranty has expired. Non Tesla batteries are more prone to failure but eventually even Tesla batteries will drop like an anchor. Right now its the tipping point for these batteries. Will they last longer than 10 years or will they all start to die out after the warranty has ended. This will definitely create major problems for anyone who owns a BEV.

By the time these batteries start to fizzle out, hydrogen should be around the corner. There are hybrids as well but the batteries don’t really last in those vehicles and it’s a gamble whether the vehicle will function adequately when the battery no longer holds a charge. In my opinion buy a Honda or Toyota if you want to spend the least amount of money. Those vehicles last forever and get pretty good gas mileage. Wait for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and ignore the BEV evangelists. They really are not helping and neither is the government that is trying very hard to get people to buy an expensive piece of battery powered machinery with no telling how long they’ll last. They very well could end up being a financial nightmare for the owners if that battery one day will just quit. And that will happen eventually.

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Optimists have been wrong about EV adoption as predictions have been set too high. EV sales only account for around 1% in the U.S. and majority of it is Tesla model 3 in California. After seeing the 5 hour Tesla pileup at a supercharger station I’m sure a few of the owners have gotten rid of them. Of course some of them are loyal to a fault and this isn’t really good especially when EVs have a set of problems.

In Chicago there are a couple charging outlets for apartment dwellers but having 2 outlets is not good for those who want to wake up to a full charge and since some of them have time limits its going to be difficult for those who may be on vacation and want to come back to a full charge. It may be difficult for those who are thinking of buying one and worry about having access to them. Then there is the cost to install a charger for these EVs. It affects rent and will bring the rent fee up. That depends whether it effects all the residents or those who only choose to buy one, however I would be looking for an apartment that doesn’t have this extra cost as others will because who wants to pay more for rent for stuff they wont ever use.

So despite there could be a charger for an EV at one apartment, if you decide to move you may not get the ability to charge and will end up going back to gas.

And if it was as easy to have an outlet more apartments would include them for engine block heaters or battery chargers for gasoline vehicles. In my experience though, the 10 or so apartments I’ve lived at didn’t have outlets for cars. Neither I saw the 20 or 30 either. Living in the Midwest having an engine block heater would be nice and again, car companies would have made these engine block heaters standard so the vehicles are already ready to go with the cabin heater pumping out heat within a minute. But this never happened. Its only if you have access to a plug is where you are able to ask for an engine block heater and again most vehicles I seen dont have them. Its always been an option most likely an aftermarket piece that was probably more for diesel engines than gasoline. If you see a plug like an extension cord sticking out the front grill, that’s generally for an engine block heater that’s just sitting there.

So with this in mind, no.. power outlets won’t be in every parking space, nor will they exist in many apartment/condos or for street parking. Even if one apartment does add more charging spots, its only if the demand is there. It’s unlikely that will happen seeing as many will continue buying gas vehicles.

The argument is, gasoline vehicles ran into the same problems. Not enough gas stations. People didnt change over from horse and carriage overnight. Even then you just drove where there was a gas station. It was also easy to build gas stations as well due to the vast amount of places to put them. And if you needed to go somewhere where there wasn’t a gas station you took a horse. And who knows, the range on the early cars could have been all you needed. Driving more than 20 miles in may have seemed silly back then. Now people go over 500 miles on a trip. But the transition from gas to electric may take far longer or it may not happen at all. Its dependent on every parking space at home to have a charging outlet and that’s unlikely, especially when someone can come along and unplug it while you are trying to wake up to a full charge, people will do something like this and cause mayhem for many motorists. Charging an EV can take over 30 minutes and wouldn’t work when the convenience of having a 5 minute refuel time on a gas vehicle. So even if there was charging outlets at home it would still make sense to have faster recharge times which would reduce the lifespan of the batteries. Cold climates is another problem as you lose 40% of your charge due to heating the cabin and keeping the battery warm. This also doesnt work for apartment renters. Those 2 outlets will be a fight if 3 or more people want to keep their batteries charging overnight forcing the landlord to consider adding more charging stations driving up renting even higher depending on whether they make all residents pay or just the EV owners. In turn I recommend people who are looking for apartments to avoid the apartments that have charging stations as they might be paying more rent for something they’ll never use.

2019 had very lacking EV sales. There are claims that pre orders for the new Tesla truck and other EVs in the works are selling out. Seems like a selling point to me as car companies can boast about preorder sales when the product hasn’t even been completed as the sale has not been completed. That 50k or so pre orders can end up as 5k. Or it can be 100k. Pre orders is not actual sales.

Also looking at actual used EV inventories most used EVs are either EVs from 2012 or the used Teslas that is still $50k too high. Seeing how its mostly Teslas out on the road, eventually those high resale values is going to drop like a bowling ball. So while city mandates could force apartment owners to install charging outlets the demand may remain small as you can move to another city that doesnt have charging outlets available. In effect people will not gamble they will have the ability to charge everywhere. No matter what some EV enthusiasts say, there isnt charging outlets in every apartment. If you park your vehicle at home and dont see an outlet you’re not going to consider getting an EV. Even if they were to be standard it’s unlikely you’ll still consider one if you are not in the market buying one.

The government, EV enthusiasts and environmentalists all would like to force people to buy one and not let the free market decide and if it was total free market, electric vehicles wouldn’t stand a chance which is why the extreme push for them. That wont work either, not unless EVs exceed everything a gasoline vehicle can and its unlikely that will happen until the 2040s and even then there at least will be another 20 years before they would dominate roads. Unless of course we allow politicians to get in the way of allowing people to drive gas cars freely and tax free. Bottom line is the future is bleak if people get their way and force everyone onto EVs.

For me, Honda and Toyota gas vehicles are proven. They’re not broken and last forever on the orginal drivetrain (usually, anyways) so I dont see any need to replace them with batteries.

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As if the fire hazard for EVs wasn’t bad enough we got Teslas with bad wheels…

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Seems scary right, well herehere’s more in a flicker collection, Tesla – Whompy Wheels

Go ahead and look, I’ll wait…

It seems like Teslas are just unsafe period. With the model 3 out it’ll be interesting what could be wrong with it, oh by the way..

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It’s kind of hard to see but you’d notice it right away if you seen it up close in person. The picture doesn’t really show it, well it does but it doesn’t show the other side which is claimed to be perfect.  It’s just another thing wrong with Teslas and why people should avoid them.

Tesla recently announced that they are going online only and that’s not good for a company that can’t even keep up demand like other auto companies can do. With the Tesla 3 out for a couple of weeks, the fanatics only had a theory on how much were sold or preordered which is like 500-1,000.

Unlike Ford which usually has vehicles ready to be sold in auto dealerships sold out the Ford Ranger within 2 weeks, The New Ford Ranger Is in Crazy Demand up to 300,000 people are interested in the 2019 Ranger and while it’s possible that like the article says, people can bail out at any time but already they’re being sold quite well,

Ford Ranger U.S. Sales
January: 2,153
Febuary: 2,899
Total: 5,052

That’s pretty impressive. It’ll be interesting how many will sell through the year but it’s already a strong beginning and that’s just for the U.S.

I was already considering one and since they got a diesel version, that’s even better, though it may be awhile I hope to find a used one that has been well taken care of. Anyway in comparison to Tesla, Tesla pushes delivery timeline for new standard Model 3 orders as demand soars “550 vehicles in about 2 days”
In 2 days isn’t bad but to say 5,000+ orders happened by Elektrek is a bit premature. You also have to remember that this model 3 started later and the reliability factor has been pretty bad for Tesla so they could have pushed back the timeline for better quality and oh there’s less workers as Tesla is downsizing so a month could mean 700 vehicles have been purchased but it’ll take that long to make them. Either way we need actual sale numbers, not predictions. The fact any EV sells 5k units in a month is a bit premature and these EV enthusiasts will try to make it sound like Tesla is doing well.

In fact CR has dropped Tesla 3 as reliable, Tesla Model 3 Loses CR Recommendation Over Reliability Issues

The fact is there really is no reliable Tesla. There are problems with them, as shown above and while they may sell quite a few units, if they do rush them out these problems will become worse. So I don’t believe that 5k+ will sell within a month, even though it’s already March most of these sales would most likely be from Tesla fanatics who want to see Tesla survive even though they can’t make a quality vehicle. This is expected with a major automotive company that produces an abundance of vehicles that need to meet the needs of millions of consumers a year. It’s normal to have defects but you don’t normally see a Camaro lose it’s wheels and the paint job is always superb. If not they’ll bend over backwards for you to get satisfaction out of your brand new vehicle, usually anyway. Bottom line is we’ll have to wait and see on actual numbers. While Tesla may have sold a lot of units 4th quarter, 60k units sold 4th quarter that’s abysmal for any automotive company. Dodge Challenger sales for an example is pretty low in general but Dodge cares about performance over sales and it may pick up a little before they release their hybrid models.

Honda for an example, Honda sales collapse should be worrisome from the company and its possible it’s less due to people shifting to larger vehicles and sales of EVs and performance vehicles are part of the lack of sales. It might change then it might not. All I know is anytime I think of Tesla I see this,

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And I have to say Teslas are just no good, overpriced junk. Here are some reasons not to buy a Tesla or EVs in general.

Reason #1: The lithium ion batteries.

1. If the batteries overheat they become very dangerous. It’s only a matter of time before they start exploding due to faulty engineering or just that something stops working correctly or someone decides to try to DIY or modify a Tesla or other EV they’ll end up in an explosive fire.

2. Recharge time still takes too long and it’ll take you more time to find a charging station than it is to find a gas station to refuel a gas vehicle. A lack of garages also makes it difficult to charge overnight. A family with multiple vehicles, or you just have more than what your garage can take, recharging can be difficult and its both tacky and dangerous to run an extension cord.

3. Lifespan claims to be 500k or 20 years but real world averages need to come into play and it’ll be another 15-20 years to get proper results.

4. Lithium ion technology isn’t easy to mine or produce. Child labor for lithium mines is a problem and could get worse as demands for lithium will increase. The price will also go up.

5. They don’t like the cold, you lose over 40% of power in 20F or lower. Generally the lower the temp the less charge you have. Sure you can do some tricks and leave the thing plugged in but it uses more power and it will prematurely wear out the heater in your car. Most likely will end up not having heat on the worst day.

6. Batteries make used EVs more difficult to sell, the cost to replace one is over $10,000. Who would buy one even if it’s fairly cheap when they’ll have to fork out money that could go towards a good $10k Gas vehicle.

Reason #2: Reliability and longevity.

It just doesn’t seem like Tesla can get their reliability up and this was already mentioned in this article. Whether major automotive EVs such as GM will have reliable vehicles will be interesting but should avoid at all costs. The Nissan Leaf has terrible battery life and you’ll be replacing it in 10 years, maybe less. Frustrated buyers will go back to gas.

Batteries have a finite lifespan so it’s not the same as a gas vehicle engine that can potentially last 100 years if properly stored. It’s also difficult to find a recharging station so you have to drive around to find one. Not everyone has a garage capable of recharging an EV. Also you lose up to 40% of power in the cold climates. You could leave it plugged in with the heater running but as I said above, your heater will die unexpectedly. Gas vehicles you just start, let it warm up for a few and your ready to go. A full tank of gas won’t lose 40% overnight.

Reason #3: Resale value.

Resale value will continue to be extremely low and some like Teslas may be high but most people who buy preowned/used vehicles don’t have a garage. It takes certain dedication to wait hours for your EV to recharge, something that most people don’t have time for. So these vehicles will sit and deteriorate in used dealership lots. I doubt even the most dedicated Tesla fanboys will buy them when no one else will. It’s just financial stupidity.

Either way resale values for EVs will either continue to be extremely low or will plummet because used dealerships won’t sell them. While there is no real world data on this I talked to a few local used dealers who keep a few EVs in the back of the lot if anyone wants them but they dont sell so they get rid of most of the trade in EVs. No point in keeping them if they won’t sell. Used dealer won’t give you a whole lot and the depreciation of an EV after even several years is over 75% of lost value. Just imagine a 10 year old EV. It would be worth the same as a 30 year old gas vehicle.

Reason #4: You need electricity to recharge.

I don’t want a vehicle that uses the same power source as my fridge. Electricity costs are low and I like it that way. Mass EV usage will increase electrical loads and will artificially raising the price of electricity. Sure it’s cheap now and its cheaper than filling your tank up with gas but as demand goes up so will costs. Already companies are being coaxed into switching to more efficient lighting and raise up the temps of air conditioners so it runs less often. So we already are sacrificing comfort in the name of EVs. Pretty soon we’ll be told to turn off air conditioners throughout the day and limit our tv watching. Or we can stick with gasoline vehicles.


Reason #5: The future is not determined yet.

If you still haven’t been deterred from buying an EV yet consider the fact that electrical vehicles may not be the future. It hasn’t made a dent in vehicle ownership and will remain low for many years to come. In 10 or 20 years they may come out with a 0% emissions gas vehicle and find alternative fuels. A combustion engine is still far from total extinction and we may have them for years to come. Whether they are run on gas or some synthetic fuel they are still here to stay.

Lots of issues with EVs from unknown battery longevity, if many of them stay parked for years we’ll find out if they last 15 years or 50 years. Some batteries in EVs and hybrids have already needed replacing so it’s doubtful they’ll last even 25 years. Internal combustion engines have a 100 year lifespan. Of course usage is a factor and will reduce the life of that engine everytime you drive it to the store or drive 30 miles to work. But bottom line is they are proven. EVs still have to prove themselves.

They catch fire if punctured, the cold climates reduce range and power output by 40%, lack of overnight charging for many and the resale value is what is keeping most from buying one. I have the money and the means to buy one, however I don’t want one for the above reasons. I am familiar with lithium ion technology and I don’t trust them to power my car. I don’t want an unreliable Tesla with crappy paint jobs and terrible suspension and handling components. Not to mention the price and the lack of range when cold and I don’t want to wear out my heater by leaving it run all night causing the electric bill to go up higher. I like the low cost of electricity. I don’t have to worry about how much electricity im using by watching tv or how many times I open my garage door. Mass EV adoption would change that.

Also lack of maintence of a mass EV adoption will lessen jobs all over the globe. It’s already happening with GM closing factories. Those people lost their jobs most likely due to a few thousand EV adopters. I don’t know this information first hand but it’s a little interesting that an EV adoption rate will lower sales of the Chevy Cruze.

So with this in mind, just avoid aknd ignore EVs for now. It hasn’t become the future, considering you can still buy gas cars I’d focus on that. While Teslas model 3 might sell those sales will drop once the fanboys get their fix.

Edit: One thing I forgot to add, Tesla crashes into river, owner claims it accelerated on its own
I wouldn’t be surprised if this really did happen, but it’s hard to say whether the Teslas do accelerated out of control. It might be a good idea to avoid them for now. Most Tesla owners wouldn’t be lying about it though, most of them are Tesla fanboys who would still say Teslas are great cars. To say it accelerated out of control shows that maybe there is a problem with them. Whatever it is, it doesn’t matter wheels falling off and exploding batteries are enough to keep away from them, EVs from major manufacturers are just cheap and I wouldn’t buy one. Once the craze ends and there is not a chance for EVs to take over the U.S. then maybe if they were under $500. I probably wouldn’t keep one for long though.

Actually not, this guy had his foot off of the pedal and the Tesla software for the car claims he had hit the gas when the driver claimed he didnt, Sudden Unintended Acceleration – Forum the computer must have been falsely detecting pedal movement. I don’t trust EVs even more now. It sounds like to me that Tesla doesn’t even care if it was a software glitch. Either way something is off with this. It may just be the soft braking of these vehicles are not completely safe. At this point I really don’t want an EV and I don’t recommend them.

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Yes another EV post but this one should be taken seriously as there is a fire risk with the batteries.

Tesla driver dies in horrible crash and the battery won’t stop burning

There is Teslas on the road who get into accidents and survive. Internal combustion engines (gas vehicles) do also catch fire some are defects others are from poor maintence and some are just freak fires.

EV batteries, lithium ion do not generally cause a fire or explode. Usually that happens due to defects, improper battery replacements or using an incorrect cord. EV batteries also store a ton more energy so recharging them would require an outlet that is capable of handling that sort of power.

However the biggest threat is that if the battery is punctured, the battery can explode. Tesla does use materials to protect the battery in an accident but they can still be punctured. Look up lithium battery explosions on YouTube and you’ll understand how dangerous these batteries can be.

Until they can come up with a safer method for a futuristic cleaner vehicle it’s best to stick with gas vehicles. An EV enthusiast will try to claim otherwise that they are safer but the fact the batteries reignite the fire they are a major hazard. Don’t let these people try to force you into buying an EV.

There are a few hybrids that use nickel metal batteries, these are far more safer. Whether they are good for vehicle usage is another story but avoid any vehicle using lithium ion batteries. Not only they are a fire hazard, the gas released from them are toxic.

I’m waiting on hydrogen that will work on existing internal combustion engines.

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