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Gas cars are expected to drop in price and electric vehicles will be nearly completely ignored when people get money to buy a new vehicle.

Tesla defies California’s coronavirus ‘shelter-in-place’ order, keeps factory open

So this guy is a moron. Keeping his plant open so he can continue production. It’s one thing if he was legally having the plant open but it’s another to make employees come into work while defying a closure. This type of attitude shows that this isnt a very good company. Another company Bed, Bath and Beyond is staying open despite the fact the workers dont feel safe working with the Coronavirus around.

Their solution is either come into work or get fired. This Coronavirus is no joke. Its dangerous and highly contagious with permanent damage to your lungs. If someone cares about their health they should be allowed to stay at home and be able to. Ome back to a job when its over.

Elon Musk is a problem. He tries to get these electric cars out then the environmentalists get the government to put up mandates to ban gasoline vehicles because electric cars it’s just not right. Even with all the mandates its highly unlikely it’ll go through. With the Coronavirus killing the economy and tanking the oil market gas is now low as $1 a gallon. So despite all that with less people buying cars when the economy picks back up again more than likely the new electric cars from GM, Ford and VW will be ignored. Prices for new gasoline vehicles are predicted to drop. Lower gas prices and the economy struggling to pick up its most likely the automakers will force dealers to slash prices. It may even be less expensive to build gasoline vehicles due to the fact oil prices are currently down. Auto companies would be smart to slash prices by buying more fuel than what they normally use so their trucks or what uses oil and gas will cost them less dropping the price of new vehicles.

The gas prices should stay down for awhile and hopefully stay this way when people have money to buy a new vehicle they will buy a gas powered one. Not an electric. This will hopefully stave off the electric car revolution until a more realistic solution to zero carbon emissions such as converting gas vehicles to run on hydrogen.

This has been mentioned in previous posts but there are too many reasons why electric vehicles are not good enough to replace gas.

  1. Low range
  2. Up to 50% loss of charge in winter
  3. Takes too long to recharge
  4. Not every home has an outlet to charge and most are 110v and takes over 10 hours to charge
  5. Batteries only last 3-7 years (one Tesla owner had to replace his battery 3 times in 4 years every 200k)
  6. Towing greatly reduces range. 400 mile range would be 120 miles. Batteries are not efficient
  7. Battery replacements are over $10k, around $5k for hybrids
  8. They are too expensive, the batteries alone cost a fortune
  9. Accesories like radio, air conditioning, wipers, ect all drain the battery so a 300 mile range vehicle is more like 200 miles not getting thr range advertised
  10. Quick charging degrades the batteries faster, those so called 30 minute chargers ruin the batteries life which only gives you 1-2 years or under 140,000 miles and again is too expensive to replace
  11. Children mine cobalt (in hazardous conditions) needed to make lithium ion batteries for the EVs which is over 33lbs of cobalt. These children die just so electric cars can be built
  12. The electric grid cant handle a bunch of EVs plugged in at the same time or at peak times. Plugging in an EV is like running your air conditioner continuously using fossil fuels

Dont kid yourself thinking EVs are great. They are terrible replacements for gasoline and your not saving the planet any. Its just moving the pollution elsewhere. Don’t listen or argue with EV enthusiasts because these people want to sell a product and destabilize the economy. Buying a gasoline vehicle will help spur up the economy with auto part replacement, mechanics and the oil industry would continue to thrive until hydrogen can replace gasoline. In effect it’s pointless to buy electric because they just want to make everyone pay more and it doesnt save the environment. It also kills kids mining for the material. Sure cellphones, computers and even gas uses cobalt however its minimal compared to the amount that is required just for one EV battery.

So in conclusion with Musk trying to make a profit and even destabilize the auto industry, his company policy is not a very good one and he should have gone bankrupt years ago.

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After my latest post unfortunately things will get worse for the children in Congo as they’ll have to mine more cobalt so more people can drive a battery electric vehicle. Presidential candidates such as Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren want to ban gasoline/diesel vehicles by 2030. This doesnt sound promising and Mike Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg and Andrew Yang want to do the same but at a later time. This is unacceptable. It would take over 10 years to get hydrogen on the way and even longer to convert gas stations to hydrogen but the presidential candidates want to force battery electric vehicles onto everyone because they’re “zero emission”.

So there will be chaos within the next 10-15 years if any of these people end up as president. All I can say is if these bans are put into place the children who have to mine cobalt for lithium ion batteries for the electric vehicles, the automotive industry and even the economy may collapse. All because of the fear mongering that we’re responsible for climate change. As a ban is placed there will be a lot of hate towards people who drive electric cars, especially in America. What started off by blocking Tesla charging stations will end up as road rage takes a new form.

Itll be chaos, unfortunately. Some people have already made threats to do pit maneuvers with their diesel trucks onto Teslas and other EVs. So while these are threats, it really will be a catastrophe on the road over the next few decades.

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With all the SuperBowl car ads trying very hard to kill the combustion vehicles and now the UK wants to ban petrol and diesel vehicles by 2035 all being driven by greed and well Greta Thunberg as well.

Well the solution is stop listening to the hype and just buy a gas or diesel vehicle. The more combustion vehicles that are sold the harder it will be for politicians to try to ban them. I mean if people are refusing to buy battery electric vehicles then even if they tried to ban the combustion engine a lot of dealerships, car manufacturers, motorists and hopefully lawyers will immediately push back on these bans and even the ‘carbon tax’  laws that are trying to be pushed. It’ll take about until the 2030s before hydrogen makes it way to the market and even then you got to give some time for the market and consumers to adjust to the idea.

However we do not want BEVs to replace gasoline. We still have 80 years of fuel/oil left so that gives us way more time to switch over.

Basically though there is this evil at work trying to destabilize our economy and all you hear is “BEVs will create new jobs” all the while over a half of the automotive workforce will become unemployed. Some people who spent half of their lives nearly saving up for retirement gets booted at 50 years old because there are no more car parts to be made for combustion engine vehicles. He has nowhere to go, he’s unemployed. That’s what this shift is trying to do and there has to be something in order to prevent or protect the millions of workers for combustion vehicle production. We have to consider the ramifications for this extreme push. The very first automobile wasnt at all to detract the horse and buggy. Even through the 30 or 40 years of improving upon the internal combustion engine people still were able to use a horse and buggy and any decline, well future generations went and sold cars instead of horse and buggies. In time too the combustion engine vehicles will eventually fade away as newer technologies advances but in reality were talking around 2050 by the time alternative fuels are put into play.

I reiterate that BEVs are not there yet. And even then hydrogen fuel cells are on the rise. Again this is several decades away and it’ll take several more decades before they completely replace gasoline. Even then some people may still want to drive gasoline and zero emissions isnt possible. This is a fantasy because majority of the emissions is from natural occurrences. Much of the emissions is due to our extremely wasteful manufacturing processes and the shipping of them. Airplanes put out a considerably amount of emissions. Why are we concerned about gas vehicles. Because of tailpipe emissions. People think this is a primary source of the emissions we are polluting the planet with but that’s not the case.

Either way it doesnt make it right to force people off of vehicles they are already accustomed to and find it to be more beneficial/cost effective than the newer technology.

Bottom line, wanna stick with gas vehicles longer or do not want to buy or get involved with a BEV, BUY A GAS CAR! (I’m not yelling lol) So even if it’s not banned start working up a budget and see, maybe you can afford a newer vehicle. Shop around. Should be done at least once every 5 years but if you can do it earlier then do it. Only if its within your budget. You can then keep doing this and upgrading to a newer vehicle that you may like even more. Figure out if you want to lease. Maybe you want a second vehicle. I use a car for winter and another for summer. Maybe you want a fun vehicle that you want to baby in the garage and take it out for nice sunny days. If its within your budget go for it. Even if it’s not, budget for it. I liked the idea of driving the same vehicle for years on end but it would be sort of nice to have a newer vehicle every 2-5 years. It also depends on my budget but I need to do this so I dont ever have to drive a BEV because i refuse to even touch one. And it’s not that they are completely terrible it’s the fact people are trying to force them on everyone. That isnt right so I refuse to buy one. I especially wouldn’t buy a used one considering how long the batteries may last.

Bottom line is wait for hydrogen. When that makes its way to the market I can see buying one of those but I certainly hope gas vehicles will continue to thrive for at least another 25 years. And it should die out naturally so that it doesnt displace so many hard working people around the world. This economy is driven by combustion engine vehicles and a good chunk of the workforce would be unemployed making the great depression look like a slow month. Letting it gradually fade will allow companies more time to let their employees know that eventually the plant has to close. Unfortunately it moves too quickly sometimes. Either way stick to gas vehicles if you can and also if its within your budget buy a new vehicle every once in awhile. Maybe car shopping will excite your life a bit.

I thought driving this Grand Am, I wouldn’t want to buy anything new but the new Challenger is far more exciting than a Grand Am, even though the Challenger is 6 cylinders its still fun. Anyway if you think you’re in the market for a new car good luck and  check out Enterprise Car Sales, they might have the car you want cheap enough. They’ll even put in a sunroof. So despite the fact EVs are being pushed, if enough gas vehicles are being bought they can’t really ban gas vehicles. It would put automakers out of business. Because once everyone has a new vehicle just before a banned time, no one would really buy a new vehicle forcing the ban to be rescinded. This may or may not work for the UK but it’s a good start.

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With 5 million EVs on the road one would think that the emissions would go down from less gas burners. With oil dropping from less gasoline vehicles the emissions should drop at least slightly. Even if it was a fraction of 0.05% it wouldn’t radically go up. Like try 5% increase in carbon emissions. So it would seem that EVs is not the environmental savior one would think. Either that scientists are pulling numbers out of their butts and this is a big scam to get everyone onto cleaner energy. Now why wouldn’t we want cleaner air?

Tailpipe emissions from vehicles can smell unpleasant and don’t run one without ventilation. It can also create problems for those who have trouble breathing like asthma. So what gives? Why are EVs not cleaning up the planet? Well it may have to do with cutting down too many trees. Trees generally suck up most of our tailpipe emissions because apparently they love that stuff. It takes about 30 years for a tree to fully grow but minutes to cut one down. It seems we’re using more trees than we can replenish them. They say that trees or plants can no longer suck up any more carbon emissions but think about this, if it takes 30 years to grow a tree perhaps it may not be sucking up enough carbon because they’re not fully grown yet.

In all seriousness despite the tailpipe emission and people who do have breathing problems do have solutions. EVs are not the answer but less tree cutting. Like almost no trees should be cut down. It would be difficult but doable. We got to stop buying wood and stop buying paper. Sure paper towels and toilet paper are necessary but we can also reduce that by buying more rags and using thinner toilet paper. There is also a toilet with a bum cleaner though I don’t know if they use soap in which would be ideal. It’s a bit new age and the Japanese use them it would need to be heated so you’re not getting blasted by cold water. If your at a Home Depot or other home improvement store check out the toilet aisle. I may try one since I got 2 toilets and I can replace one for one of these new ones and see whether they work or not. But I use thin toilet paper and that way I use what I need. You can fold them so you still would end up with 2 ply or 3 ply depending on your needs. It isnt soft but at the same time its basic and uses as little as possible.

Back to EVs since I’m off topic here. I mentioned in previous posts that there is too much things that are wrong with EVs and one of the more common ones is they say they save the environment. Well it certainly doesnt look that way and the fires in Australia didnt help but that also was started by arsonists. Probably so called environmentalists trying to make it seem like we got a problem with carbon emissions. In reality they didn’t accomplish anything and made things worse. Whatever that reason was its another reason its believed that this climate change hysteria is to get people to buy a new car. Sold by the idea that you should stop driving gas and go towards a battery electric vehicle is mostly pushed by the government but someone in power wants to gain profit at the expense of the environment. Nevermind the fact that maybe there isnt anything we can do except try to reduce our need for paper and wood. Because in the end its not EVs that will help the environment its leaving healthy older trees up so that way there is a way to capture carbon emissions. Supposedly we also have technology that can capture carbon emissions as a fuel source. That might be a good idea to explore further.

At this point if you dont have a desire to buy an EV you shouldn’t have to be forced into one, especially those trying to get those into an EV for the sake of the environment. It makes no sense and it really shouldn’t be forced upon especially since they are not ready for everyone. They still have a lot of work and maybe they wont be ready for decades to come. Even hydrogen fuel cell vehicles seem to be decades from being ready as well. I’d say keep driving gasoline vehicles, wait and see. At this point you wont really save much on an EV and prices wont really go down. Majority of Americans are not interested in EVs.

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Oh no not another electric vehicle post. Sorry, not sorry but with this extreme push for battery electric vehicles or BEVs I have to show the negative sides of them and why its best to wait around for hydrogen fuel cells.

 

1. Limited range

Batteries can only store so much energy and even with the advances the more range you’re looking for the more expensive they’ll be. A Tesla model 3 costs around $40k when you factor taxes, charging equipment and hire an electrician to get the most out of recharging. But let’s face it, for $20k I can get more range out of a muscle car.


2. Recharging time

Even though you may charge at home and ‘wake up every morning with a full tank’ it still takes time to charge and our electric grid is unreliable at best. You will be waking up one day without power and your 220 mile Tesla is now a 50 mile range vehicle with no place to charge because well.. no power. Most gas stations will have a backup generator allowing motorists to continue driving around. But you are stuck with a 50 mile driving range. Doesnt work if you daily drive more than 20 miles, even if you do manage to make it into work you will still need a recharge. Imagine having to wait hours and hours in a public charging station because everyone else who owns a Tesla or other EV will be waiting in line because they lost power. Either that or they traveled too far and need a recharge. A minimum  of 30 minutes for an EV or a 5 minute refueling time for gasoline those who drive gas will not generally be affected by power loss, unless the gas station you went to doesnt have a backup generator… it’s best to ask.

 

3. Range is limited in the cold

My friend had a Tesla with a 300 mile range. When it was 20F he woke up to a half charge with a range of 100 miles. He thought well, I only work 20 miles away it’ll be fine. It was fine driving into work but upon driving home from work he got about 5 miles before the Tesla quit on him. He got rid of it and bought a Honda. 🤣😂

The cold is bad on lithium ion batteries. They don’t like the heat and they certainly dont like the cold. Adverse temperatures is bad for any battery, this is why you need to have your gas vehicle battery checked out every year, especially at winter time they can be an issue, in very cold weather. Stop and go driving is generally harder on them but using a battery electric car on the highway, that range doesnt come back because the car is doing everything it can to generate heat, however driving 60+ mph it takes longer for it to heat up so that heat is often wasted by that cold wind.

Gas cars are not impervious to cold weather either but well maintained gas vehicles will operate better in cold climates. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are the best in cold weather. Another reason why we need more of these vehicles.

 

4. The electric grid won’t handle a BEV takeover

You know I read in the Chicago Tribune that best charging times will be after 2:00A.M. I leave for work by 3:30A.M. there is no way it’ll finish charging by the time I have to leave for work. Even then this is another inconvenience, you gotta charge on their rules, not when it’s convenient for you. Not everyone has the same routines and here again, the recharge time and power reliability. You can gas up your vehicle any time you need to but charging is different. Sure you can charge anytime you want, but you won’t get the best rates. And when this happens rates for electricity will still go up when too many are plugging in. We bought energy efficient appliances because we wanted to save money on electricity but not only that its because the grid is taxed by energy draining devices.

 

5. Lithium ion materials are not easy to get

Even with all these BEVs coming out, there is a lithium ion supply shortage. We dont have a reliable supply, like gas it’s a finite resource. And when resources become scarce the prices go up. If you need a replacement battery and you sold your gas clunker for a shiny EV but the battery died, well who’s to say they’ll have a replacement on standby for you. If all their loaner vehicles are in use, you may be stuck paying for a $35 daily rental for however long. Could be a week or it could be months. In reality, you’re better off sticking to a gas vehicle. You may need a replacement engine or transmission which isnt that common, at least they have the parts needed to get you back on the road as quickly as possible. May take a few days to a week but that’s nothing compared to how long people had to wait for a replacement Tesla part.

 

6. How long will that battery last? The cost of owning a BEV

I don’t know. Often times they’ll say it’ll get 300k easy but when gas vehicles get that much and more you want to think more in terms of, how many years will the batteries last. Currently you can get 30+ years out of a Honda or Toyota.. basically any well built vehicle will last you if you keep up on the preventative maintenance. Regular oil and other fluid changes are needed for your vehicle’s survival. Fresh fluids equals a happy vehicle that will take care of your transportation needs but also regular checkups and taking it easy on the gas when you dont really need all that horsepower going. Leave it for the highway ramps.

Anyways the only real ways to treat a battery right on these EVs is charge it only to 80% and leave 30% left. Not exactly leaving you with much range there, along with the cold you’re just not going anywhere fast. Ideally you want a garage but if you park on the street or in an apartment complex that just isnt possible. The same with being at work, you have to leave the vehicle outside. Adverse weather will degrade the batteries. I can’t even keep all my cars in a garage. Let alone they are parked outside at work for 10 hours. BEVs just wouldn’t work.

But at the most I’ve seen a battery last is 10 years. But most of them last 3-7 years depending on various reasons I wont get into but somehow EVs could top all those batteries? The cost alone wouldn’t be worth it seeing as it would take in my case, 10 years before seeing savings from driving a BEV.

Even if the batteries were to die in 12 years or so, it’s still not worth it. Batteries are another environmental concern and the fact that eventually we will have to dispose of them. Regardless if there was a 2nd application for them. What happens when they are no longer usable?

I dont know either but the oldest BEV battery I know of is at least 8 years old. It’s only a matter of time before we find out the cutoff point and I’m not willing to risk a battery dying 8 years down the road and your warranty has expired. Non Tesla batteries are more prone to failure but eventually even Tesla batteries will drop like an anchor. Right now its the tipping point for these batteries. Will they last longer than 10 years or will they all start to die out after the warranty has ended. This will definitely create major problems for anyone who owns a BEV.

By the time these batteries start to fizzle out, hydrogen should be around the corner. There are hybrids as well but the batteries don’t really last in those vehicles and it’s a gamble whether the vehicle will function adequately when the battery no longer holds a charge. In my opinion buy a Honda or Toyota if you want to spend the least amount of money. Those vehicles last forever and get pretty good gas mileage. Wait for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and ignore the BEV evangelists. They really are not helping and neither is the government that is trying very hard to get people to buy an expensive piece of battery powered machinery with no telling how long they’ll last. They very well could end up being a financial nightmare for the owners if that battery one day will just quit. And that will happen eventually.

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Hydrogen fuel cell technology has dropped (or will drop) in price making it much better to succeed. Ok first off, I’m not trying to say that electric isn’t the future with vehicles, nor am I saying we should stick with gas vehicles indefinitely. I would like a cleaner vehicle but battery powered.. not so much. Now that’s out of the way hydrogen fuel cells are similar to gas in the range and refueling (only takes 5 minutes to refuel a hydrogen vehicle) without the adverse affects of lost range especially in the cold.

Battery electric has an issue with the  cold and they lose up to 50% of the capacity. Doesnt help when range is only around 220 miles or less. The more expensive models get up to 325 miles. Sure you can charge in 30 minutes or so but you’ll be waiting awhile for it to finish charging. It doesnt do well when there are other people waiting in line.

The fact is, battery electric vehicles are not ready yet, no matter what people are saying. You have to make changes in order to make them work. In today’s society where everyone is already in a rush waiting for your vehicle to charge is going to make things worse. Even if you charge at home the limited range will eventually catch up and you’ll realize that 200 mile range wont be enough. Again some people are willing to sacrifice their time to do this others won’t.

The other problem is the battery lifespan. If you can get 20 or more years out of a gasoline vehicle (especially the way prices are for new vehicles its the best option) then you’d get your money’s worth provided you kept up on the preventative maintenance and did not have so many problems with the vehicle during its use. Most cars need constant attention and having a mechanic look it over every 3 months is ideal. You would have to check the fluids once a month including watching for leaks. By the time you start saving money on an EV chances are that EV may be 8-10 years old already. Not exactly saving any money here if you are having to replace the battery.

There isnt any evidence yet suggesting that EV batteries will last for more than 10 years because they haven’t been around for very long. It’s really a gamble seeing the average lifespan of a battery. The average gas car lifespan is around 11 years but they would last longer if people just changed the fluids on time. You can make a gas car last 20 years or longer. The only thing is rust. You have to make sure to rust proof them. Wash and wax them, use the undercarriage spray and also check out autobody shops and see what they offer for rust proofing. The one I take it to you end up having to replace every 2-4 years because its Fluid Film that either dissolves over time or over the salt or water. And it costs $200-400 depending on the vehicle.

I’m getting off topic here but you get the general idea here. The same rustproofing methods could be applied to an electric car but again how long will the batteries last. This is why BEVs should stay in the niche market until tests have been verified on how long do battery EVs last. They can cost anywhere from $5k to $17k. The cheaper ones may not last very long and you’ll have to do the math to see when you start saving money. Also electric rates are not fixed so they can go up as well. The last thing we need is to pay more to run our appliances. We bought energy saving appliances not only to pay less each month but because our electric grid can’t handle a whole lot.

This is probably my 5th or 6th post on BEVs and while they are pretty much anti electric they are just not there yet with the technology yet. It is far better to wait for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles as they’ll be far better in the long run. Fast refueling, long range similar to gas and no loss of range or major problems in the cold. The argument of you dont need long range, and you’ll charge at home is just not sound arguments when eventually you’ll have to use a charging station and it could be packed where you’ll be waiting longer for a charge than you will at a gas station.

If you still want a BEV that’s fine but dont let anyone tell you, you should buy them because of low cost or that they are better for the environment because your just moving the tailpipe emissions to somewhere else. Our infrastructure isnt at all green and it wont happen overnight. Really environmentalists should focus on getting our oceans and water sources clean. Not worry over what kind of cars people drive because gas vehicles are more efficient and clean than ever before. Let’s wait for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles to work their magic. We may see them in a couple of decades. Even if naysayers think HFC isn’t, they are coming sooner than you think.

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